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Tips & Tricks Sub4Sub - Why is it bad?

Discussion in 'Resources and Tips' started by Koala_Steamed, Oct 8, 2016.

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Have you ever done sub4sub?

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  2. Yes

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  3. Yes, but only in the past!

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  1. Koala_Steamed
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    Have you ever been asked to Sub4Sub?
    I'm sure everyone has encountered people (and possibly done it yourselves) requesting to subscribe and in return they will subscribe back. This sounds like a great idea initially as you both gain a subscriber!

    However this has a few major implications, first of all this is strictly against YouTube Policy. "The number of users subscribed to your YouTube channel is a metric that reflects the number of people who are following your channel". Don't worry too much if you have previously done this a few times, but artificially gaining a large amount of subscribers can lead to channel termination.
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    Additionally to this, gaining subscribers is just a number and wont impact your channel. It could even possibly have a negative effect. Channels that have large amounts of subscribers with very low views can often be easily recognized, people see this as bad practice and then less likely to subscribe. So you may be forcing away legitimate viewers from subscribing!

    YouTube closely guards it's algorithms when it comes to suggested, recommended, and subscriber feed information however some large youtubers have begun to crack the code through vigorous testing and experience. One such theory is the theory called "subscriber burn" which when broken down states that an inactive viewer will see less and less of you in their feed until the subscriber is "burned" or "burned out" This happens frequently with large creators and is one of the driving reasons creators need to promote themselves on various platforms to reactivate "burned" subscribers.
    Supported by MattPatt from Game theory

    There is a similar theory based on just as much evidence that when you release a video your response rate (or the number/percent of people who interact with your content) within the first 24 hours can set your video up for success or failure in the long run. The target response is floating above 35% viewership to subscriber ratio. This gets harder and harder to achieve when you've inflated your subscriber count using methods like sub4sub.
    -Various sources throughout the years.

    For these reasons any form of sub4sub/like4like is not allowed on the Freedom! Forums or within the network. If you do see anyone requesting sub4sub, please report the user and they will be warned by someone form the moderating team. Remember to still be respectful of the user, we don't want to to initiate any arguments over this and they might just not know any better.

    Thanks to @Anthony Smith for the additional information!
     
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    Awesome post @Koala_Steamed and @Anthony Smith this should be pinned
    I know heaps of people who do this because they think subscribers are the whole point of YouTube but your better off having 100 views and 10 subsciribers. There's no point having subscribers but no one watching your videos. People should focus on making quality content and getting it out there. Go ahead and use call to actions but don't go and sub for sub.
    Keep up the great work guys.
     
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    Now it just seems like I'm copying Showcase, but another fantastic post by two wonderful members of the Forum team. Its really nice to see how detailed you go in this even talking about different theories, such as 'subscriber burn'. I never saw the point of Sub4Sub myself as there is no guarantee that the person will even watch your content so it basically becomes a dead sub which doesn't help you at all.
     
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    :D
    Also, the good thing is that YouTube does cleanups so you only get left with mostly if not all true subs. And if people get discouraged by the cleanup, a lesson learnt.
     
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    I seen so many people do Sub4Sub before I joined youtube so I thought that's how most people get big on youtube, I never really did research on it. I never really went hard with doing sub4sub but now I will just completely stop. from now on I don't even know what sub4sub is.
     
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    I understand it and i have never herd of it this is the frist time i have seen about this!
     
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